The Burmilla/Tiffanie Program
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Update 2001

Update 2007 CFA Application

The Burmilla is a breed within the Asian Group that originated in the United Kingdom some 15 years ago as the result of an accidental mating between a Chinchilla Persian male and a Platinum/Lilac Burmese female. The resulting offspring were so impressive in type and vigour that it was decided to proceed with a breeding program using this hybrid with Burmese cats. The Chinchilla is only used once for the foundation breeding of a new line. The Burmilla is  recognised for Championship by the GCCF and FIFE , having passed through experimental and provisional statuses . South Africa, Australia, Holland Switzerland and Denmark are some of the other countries where breeding programs are taking place. The Asian Group is the name used, in the above programs, for cats of Foreign Burmese type, with non-Foreign Burmese coat colour, pattern or length. "Asian" cats bear the same relationship to the Foreign Burmese as the "Orientals" do to the Siamese.

The breeds within the Asian Group are:

Any of the above coat colour patterns can appear in long and short haired cats. In the United Kingdom, and other parts of the world where these cats are recognised, only the shaded, short haired cats are referred to as Burmillas. All the other coat colour patterns in short haired cats are referred to as Asians and all colour patterns in the long hair are designated as Tiffanies. For more detailed information on the British and European Asian Group we suggest that later you go to the home page of the Asian Cat Society in England.

In December 1995, Strathkirk and Horizons imported two long haired Burmillas, (Tiffanies), from England. They were Moonspinners Mercury and Meerani, who were then shown Experimental Status in the Canadian Cat Association. They were bred subsequently to a variety of Foreign and Traditional Burmese. Some 80 of their offspring, (short haired Burmillas carrying the long haired gene), followed. Twenty of these Burmillas were kept for further breeding. We now breed Burmilla to Burmilla and have begun to produce Tiffanies in approximately 25% of the breedings. All Burmillas were granted New Breed Staus in November 1997. Our Burmillas began showing in the Spring of 1998 and  gained Championship Status by 1999. A limited number of these kittens have been for sale and are proving to be very popular.

In order to simplify acceptance of this breed in Canada and to facilitate the subsequent registration and judging processes, these cats are identified as Short or Long Haired Burmillas and are further described by their pattern (ie. self, smoke, shaded, Tipped, Tabby, etc). This simplification also avoids confusion with hte commonly use discriptor "Asian" (ie the cat is of asian type)and  the American breed of Chantily / Tiffany already recognised by some associations. Thus all Canadian cats from this breed pool are Burmilla(s), the term Asian is not used.

In December 1996, we imported a Chinchilla Persian , Chico's Christian from England. He was selected for his natural head shape and carriage of the golden gene. Christian was subsequently bred to selected Foreign and Traditional Burmese Queens to produce F1 Burmillas. This was done to produce a completely different line of Burmillas, thus increasing the gene pool. This part of the program takes about 3 years.

The process of producing a full Burmilla (or Asian using the English terminology) from a foundation breeding is complex, not for the faint hearted, and is as follows.

Step 1: Burmese x Chinchilla This gives 1st generation, (F1), Burmillas. This results in Shaded or Tipped varieties or occasionally Ticked Tabbies if the Chinchilla carries Golden.

Step 2: F1 Burmilla back again to Burmese This gives 2nd generation, (F2), Burmillas. At this stage you can expect to get Tabbies, Selfs and Smokes as well as Shaded or Tipped varieties.

Step 3: F2 Burmilla to an unrelated Burmilla (any variety) This gives 3rd generation, (F3), Burmillas. Again any variety is possible, including longhaired Burmillas, (Tiffanies), if the F2 cats both carry the longhair gene.

Step 4: F3 Burmilla should be mated back to Burmese This gives the 4th generation, (F4), or full Burmillas.

As a protocol, in our tracking nomonclature, we hold a cat at F3 status until it has gone back to a Burmese. We find that it is sometimes useful to repeat breedings F3 to F3 to hold a recessive ie long hair. We also note in the pedigrees that not many English Breeders have held to this complete program.
After F4 is accomplished, matings should mainly be Burmilla to Burmilla but can at any time, go back to the Burmese, which is an allowable out-cross to the full Burmilla.
In simple terms the objective of the Burmilla breeding program is to import the Long hair, Black colour, and Silver undercoat genetics, from the Chinchilla Persian while keeping the sleek, no undercoat, fur and the outgoing interactive personality of the Burmese.

The following pages show some of the breeding lines as they have developed.



Update as of Feb 2001 (the politics of it all)
In the fall of 2000 Phoenix based Theresa Meyers authored a  feature for Cat Fancy Magazine on the Asian cat.
We note the following quote:
 "European Burmese are the key to the recognition of the Asians in this country.  European Burmese have provisional status with the C.F.A.  Once they reach championship status we have a ground work for their child breed, the Asians, " says Kim Ghorbrial, owner of Bes Cattery in Portland Ore., and one of the original breeders of Asians in the United States.  "The difficulty is in establishing the breed with enough breeders who are following the guidelines established by the G.C.C.F and the U.F.O.  This means the breed must be bred from European Burmese, not American Burmese, which are a different breed with a different look.  Many breeders in Canada are using American Burmese, and it’s not the same cat."

Ms. Naomi Johnson, Secretary of the Asian Group Cat Society, (a cat club in England), is also quoted therein as saying "they (Asians) are basically Burmese with different colors, patterns and coat lengths…"  Ms Johnson is also quoted in the Nov. 2000 issue of Your Cat, an English publication, as saying a Tiffanie is "A cross between Burmese and longhair Chinchillas".

Our comments follow:
Our views on "European" Vs "North American Burmese" (there is no such thing as an American Burmese) are well stated on our Burmese page.  As to our cats being different, we refer you to the history of the English Burmese in the book "The Burmese Cat". This book is a publication of the Burmese Cat Club in England in 1994, edited by Robine Pocock published by Unwin Brothers Ltd. for the Burmese Cat Club Benevolent Fund. The reader should know in reviewing page 16 of that text that Halton Ridge, home of Halton Ridge Alfie, a British founding cat, is within less than a 1 hr. drive from Toronto. Halton Ridge Alfie was a Silkwood cat base in Missauga Ont, a suburb of Toronto.The Wai-ling cats are is Shy boys pedigree  For those who don't have access to that book, the point I am making here is that Canadian cats and specifically our cats forbearers were used in the founding of European Burmese. In fact, a review of the posted 12 generation pedigree of our European boy, Maple Leaf, illustrates just how much Alphie is the European cat. Ms Ghorbrial does not know her pedigrees.

The 4 generation breeding protocol described above on this page, is a quote from an e-mail sent to us by Ms. Johnson in the Winter of 1996.  The documentation that she provided with it was the basis for the breeding standards and registration requirements accepted by the Canadian Cat Association.
Ms. Ghorbrial is a known C.F.A. European Burmese breeder. In her public e-mails,  she described an accidental breeding in 1998, between her European Burmese and an Abyssinian.  We were surprised that she received support from Ms. Johnson, who suggested that the offspring be called Asians.
Most countries who recognize cats from the Asian Group, like us, have followed the G.C.C.F. standards and have begun their breeding programs with English Asians.  Apparently, unknown to us, and a number of other breeders, both in England and elsewhere, the G.C.C.F.  Registration Policy had been significantly changed in 1996 and again in 2000.
Copies of the Registration Policies dating back to 1993, which we have just received from G.C.C.F., are attached/linked.

It is our understanding that the 1996 breed policy change was instituted in order to open the gene pool to accommodate some long ago past breedings and a allow very few breeders who would bring in specific genes such as the "spotted tabby". We have experienced the spotted tabby, all things come in time, shortcuts create problems.

The new 1996/2000 breed policy document enables breeding of Asians to "anything" and is, in our opinion, a recipe for a "moggie" and a shortcut to a new breed, that the UFO have jumped upon.  The Burmese and Chinchilla are no longer required.  The current 4 generation protocol now requires that the offspring of an Asian X "anything" (with a few minor exceptions), must go back to an Asian OR (and we underline or) Burmese 3 times prior to being a full registered Asian.  We certainly question the ability of Ms. Ghorbrial and other U.F.O. breeders, to breed a cat that is anything like our Burmillas or the international Asian.   If they follow the revised standard, as they claim they will, they may now breed to "anything", thus providing the public with a very different cat . One wonders what Ms. Ghorbrial et. al. would think of an Asian to  -- say a --- Maine Coon or Pixie Bob, next door.;-)!!!

In 1981 the original Chinchilla / Burmese cross of Baroness Miranda Von Kirchberg required "new breed " status by G.C.C.F. and took some 15 years to accomplish.   How is it now, that an Asian to "anything" (with a few minor exceptions), does not require the same?

We suspect that the G.C.C.F.’s Executive committee overlooked the implications of what they were ratifying in 96/2000.

It is our intention to breed Burmillas (Asians) from the original Burmese / Chinchilla ancestry.  We will continue with the breeding protocol wherein the Chinchilla is used only once in the foundation of a line. The Canadian Cat Association breed standard is attached/linked. The allowable outbreed section is at the end of the document.

Ms. Ghorbrial’s comments re: "serious efforts are underway to have the new breed recognized by the C.F.A."  would seem highly unlikely to us!  Most, very conservative North American breed associations, particularly the C.F.A., will take even longer to recognize the Asian with this new 2000 non-uniform "catch all" registration policy.
The waters have become very muddy  for the Burmilla's future. For instance, we note that it has taken the "Red" Burmese 25 years to be accepted in North America.  We still endure the "Barn Cat" epitaph.

We think that the U.F.O. should call these cats, as lovely as they may be, something other than "Asians"; however, we understand that new breed status is a long and difficult process.

We do not understand why Ms. Johnson, in her public statements, continues to say that the Asian comes from a Burmese / Chinchilla cross.  Sadly, this is no longer the truth.  We continue to hope that the Asian Group Cat Society will rectify the situation.

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Update July 2002
It is our understanding that FIFE and various European cat registries have rejected the 1996/2000 Asian definition and continue to require that the Burmilla/Tiffanie gene pool be exclusivly Burmese and Chinchilla as was the original GCCF policy.
 Comment re Polycystic kidney disease (PKD) in Persians and Asians of Persian ancestry. This raises 2 points.
1) Our original imported Tiffanies, Meerani, and Mercury, DOB Oct. 95 ,  both still live with us and have never been sick - of anything. Christian , DOB April '96, our imported Chinchilla Persian, lives with a close friend, also in a multi cat household, and is likewise. Vet. texts suggest PKD in the inherited form has a 3-10 year window, and is autosomal dominant (Feline Husbandry N.C. Pedersen). There are no reports in these cats lines, proir or post, that we are aware of. We don't have it.
2) The 'Burmilla,' which is the cat that most people are looking for, looks like a Singapura (if one follows the GCCF definition). That is genetically  (in laymans terms) a ticked, silver tipped cat, and is of Burmese temperament. It is possibly also a super wideband cat, being tipped.
...Strathkirk Iolanthe is a good example.
Breeding an Abyssinian or Somali to a Burmese, (as does Ms Ghobrial and the UFO group) can not genetically deliver that colour, coat, or pattern. Conventional genetics has it that wide band and silver can only come from the Chinchilla. Thus, any of the UFO group who deliver 'Burmillas' have it wrong, or have Persian ancestry, unless of course they got these genetics elsewhere, which would remove them further from the original gene pool.

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Update May 2003
Ms Ghobrial contacted CCA and requested they register her "Burmillas".   The breed policy and protocol was explained to her. Cats of other than Burmese /Persian ancestry  do not qualify.



update -  the following   email (part)was received
From: "walters" <walters@idx.com.au>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:54:21 +1100
--
Our Australian Tiffanie differs in the breeding program quite markedly to your's in that we allow going back to Chinchillas in later than foundation generation ... and we also allow outcrossing to Silver Longhair Exotic.  We only accept silvers - and so far we're producing lovely kittens ... but not yet uniform type.  We're up to Gen 3.  ... my latest two litters - both litters being sired by a Beechbrae Scottish Longhair Exotic.  The kittens are really valuable to us since we've been able to access completely new Chinchilla lines to those available in Australia.
 ..
Colleen Walters
Kurranulla Cattery - PKD tested negative
<http://walters.idx.com.au>http://walters.idx.com.au
<http://silvertails.idx.com.au>http://silvertails.idx.com.au
ed note: It is our understanding that an "Exotic" is  a shorthair Chinchilla i.e. same breed lines, and that the longhair version is fundamentally identical to the Chinchilla by way of breed pool genetics. The Exotic question (of allowable out cross) did come up in our early discussions with CCA. We did not go with it. That decision was not so much to exclude but rather to remain less complicated. The ultimate test with these "variants" would be who's version is acceptable to whom(association to association).


Update April 2007
The Asian application
    In 2005 Ms. Ghorbrial, Bess cattery, contacted us (Horizons) with a view to supporting an application to CFA for recognition of the 'Asian' cat that she proposed to undertake. During those discussions, initiated and mediated by Pat Swihart of Charm Cattery, it was agreed that no cat would be taken forward with a birth date after Jan 2000 that had other than European Burmese or Chinchilla Persian in its ancestry. Bess developed the application and made submission to CFA. Horizon supported the application and initiated construction of  a web site.  Much of the application material was incorporated into the web site.
    Both Bess and Horizons are European Burmese breeders and at this time are members of the European Burmese Breed council (Horizon was not a Breed council member in early 2006). Horizons is and was a member of the European Burmese breed club, Bess is and was a member of the WEBS (Worldwide European Burmese Society). Both of these breed club's presidents Wayne Trevithan and Ann-Louise De Voe respectively took a position in opposition to this application. The clubs followed suit. Ann Louise DweVoe was Breed Council secretary in 2006.
    Given the precarious nature of the application and applicats at the time, and the rising tide of opposition, is was mutually decided to withdraw the Asian application to CFA. That application was withdrawn by telephone call to the CFA office and the application along with the considerable deposite was returned to, and received by Bess cattery on or about  Jan 16 2006.
    We would note that Applications for New Breed Status required a presentation before the CFA Breeds and Standard Board in Feb of 2006 in Texas. Most of the Asian Breeders are in the nothern United States and Canada. Any such show requires considerable planning and expense.  For more see CFA web site

    The following was taken from the Board minutes of  Feb 2006 and are from that meeting as provided to us by the breed council. The rational statement is from the Breed council and we understand to be the position as put forward by Mr. Trevithan at the time.

3.   Do you feel the acceptance of the Asian Cat for CFA registration status would have an effect on the European Burmese breed?

RATIONALE: The Asian standard is basically word for word identical to the European Burmese standard. The Asian breed mimics the European Burmese breed in genotype and phenotype. Referring to WIAB, which is in effect with CFA, the Asian breed is out of order.

      YES: 11                                         NO: 8

BOARD ACTION: Informational only.
   
We were surprised to see this and emailed the Breed council the following:

Dear David and fellow Breed Council members:

I am writing in reference to  concerns with the board meeting minutes attached to David's email.  The paragraph in question is copied below and reads:

(see copy above)

 The concerns are threefold as follows:

1) Is is our understanding that as party to this action of the Asian, the Asian Application was withdrawn in the summer of 2005  (approximately 6  months prior to the 2006 board meeting). Therefore, any discussion of a "Standard" was, in and of itself "Out of Order". We do not  understand how this piece of information could have escaped the chair of this meeting.
2)"Identical" , "Mimics" and "WIAB"
 Below are some "Asians". They are neither identical nor mimic the European Burmese phenotypically or genotypically.

findus2midnitecloud

  WIAB

  A search of CFA's web site contains one obscure reference to this term. Therefore, how can WIAB be "in effect".  Breeds are defined by  their standard, as much as some would have it otherwise.  Some European Burmese breeders may, for their own personal reasons, object  to the application of the Asian/Burmilla,(various associations have different names), but the Breed Council must be extremely careful as to  how they allow that to be done. Whatever the criteria used to differentiate the European Burmese from the Burmese, that same criteria can  apply to the differentiation of the Asian/Burmilla from the European Burmese. To use the WIAB argument in this situation is a two edged  sword that may well do more harm than good especially when seen in the light of the present disputes concerning the current movement  of the Judging process towards the traditional cobby North American Burmese type. There are many in the cat world who believe "a  Burmese is a Burmese".

Further, granted there is much in the Burmilla/Asian that does mimic the Burmese.   That is and always was, intentional.  It is not the same  however.  The program is considerably more but no less than the program that originally introduced the red gene to the European  Burmese that you all prize so highly.  The only difference is that it was separated out under another breed name in order that there be  order, not confusion as has occurred in New Zealand.


3)The Asian Breed is out of order.
This is ridiculous.  It is the kind of comment one would expect to find pointed out and highlighted in the humour section on the NY times.A Cat or a breed can not be out of Order.  I know we love our cats but they do not have standing at meetings.

Solutions and Request:

It is my opinion that CFA has engaged in inappropriate process  (a "faux pas") --- "Punchy" notwithstanding. This comment has great potential embarrassment for CFA and the European Breed Council in the future. This paragraph should be stricken from the record.

I respectfully request that David, on behalf of the breed council:
1.  Approach the CFA chair and ask that the above noted paragraph be removed.
2.  Report back to Council, the results.

If this is not accomplished, then I would like David to take forward the motion:

"That the minutes of the Board Meeting of 2006 which contained the Asian discussion be amended to strike the above mentioned paragraph".

Best Regards,
Ivan
There was no response from the new breed secretary Mr. Davis Osage, to this or  requests for information, other than to schedule the breed council meeting June 30, (and call for adgenda items) which would we assume to be part of the CFA Annual meeting and show (in Texas?? ).
There were 3 emails posted to the breed council chat group in response.  We note the correct order of business, after a motion is made, is for the chair to accept the motion.
Two from Ann Louise seeking clarification and the following:

Dear Breed Council Members:
 
I will attempt to address the issues raised on this list regarding the 2006 Breed Council ballot.  Although I am a breed council member as well, I will recuse myself in that capacity to put on my CFA Secretary hat and respond factually from that perspective, and try not to participate in a debate.  I am a new Breed Council member and have only a few grands.  I have seen only three Asians exhibited last July so I don't know enough about the breed to have formed an opinion.

Before addressing the issues, let’s discuss what a CFA Breed Council (“BC”) is and what the role of a Breed Council Secretary (“BCS”) is, so that we are all on the same page.  The BC Standing Rules state that the councils shall “serve the Executive Board in an advisory capacity.”  The BCS represents the members as best he/she can, or risks not being re-elected.  I can say from a board-member perspective that Wayne, Pat, Ann-Louise and now David have all been fierce proponents of the breed on behalf of the BC members.  Nowhere does it state that a BC member can demand certain things of the BCS or the Executive Board.  However, the Standing Rules direct that, “In no case will the Executive Board accept a new breed without providing the Breed Council Secretaries of any breed which has been used to establish a proposed new breed an opportunity to comment.”  In this respect, the mention of the Asian breed in the 2006 European Burmese ballot was by Executive Board mandate, and the then-serving BCS was correct in her actions.  If you have any questions regarding the differences between the CFA breed councils and BC’s of other associations, I refer you to Annette Wilson, the Breeds & Standards Chair (arwilson@prodigy.net).

The threefold concerns were as follows:

1.  Concern about the discussion of an Asian “standard”.  The Asian application would have included a standard provided by the promoters of the Asian breed, themselves.  Deadlines for submission and withdrawal of Breeds & Standards matters are firm.  The concerned party’s “understanding” (rather than personal knowledge?) of the withdrawal of the Asian application is “the summer of 2005”, which may have been beyond the deadline for withdrawal.  Granted, I do not know who the Breed Committee Chair for the Asian is, as that individual has never corresponded with me in my capacity as CFA Secretary (although I have many emails from that time period from individuals who opposed the breed). Bottom line is, the purported standard was submitted and withdrawn.  A failure to understand how “this piece of information could have escaped the chair of the meeting” may come from the fact that the Asian Breed Committee Chair also failed to contact the chair of the meeting – Pam DelaBar, CFA President -or the Breeds and Standards Chair by the withdrawal deadline.

2.  WIAB:  The policy is in effect, although the “obscure reference” is due to the fact that WIAB is an unofficial nickname and is used quite often as a term of art.  Please see http://cfa.org/breeds/breed-definition.html for “Definition of a Breed”.  As far as the European Burmese being threatened to be “very careful”, the fact remains that the breed is already established in Championship in CFA and the Asian is not, so this warning seems to be a little backwards.  Further, as far as the allegations that “the current movement of the judging process towards the traditional cobby North American Burmese type”, this is simply offensive and not worthy of time to defend it (or the anonymous internet website professing this same philosophy, practically word for word).

3.  The Asian Breed is out of order.  I apologize for my lack of ability to understand where this concern originates.  However, since it was brought up, the application for registration of a breed that violates the Definition of a Breed can, in fact, be ruled out of order.

Responses to Solutions and Request:

CFA has engaged in inappropriate process – “Punchy” notwithstanding.  I admit that the word “punchy” originally came from me when I forwarded the 2007 transcript to BCS Osage.  I apologize if anyone found it as offensive as it is now becoming.  The concern about the so-called “inappropriate process” arises from the 2006 meeting.  I did not intend for the 2007 term to be used as a means for the 2006 meeting to be criticized.  If the established “process” which has allegedly been inappropriately engaged in could be pointed out, perhaps I could better respond.  However, I support the CFA Executive Board’s actions at that meeting as being appropriate.  The Board is very conscientious about following proper procedure.  Anyone may attend the open session portions of any board meeting to make a first-hand judgment for themselves.  Until they do, maybe it is best not to reserve comment about how the twice-elected CFA President conducts meetings.

I respectfully request that David, on behalf of the breed council … If this is not accomplished, then I would like David to take forward the motion “That the minutes of the Board Meeting of 2006 which contained the Asian discussion be amended to strike the above mentioned paragraph.  A BCS has the option (or not) of polling his/her breed council and coming to the board with a request on behalf of the entire BC, should he so choose.  An individual is also welcome to present a request on his/her own behalf.  Because the action requested involves the CFA minutes, a request would be made to the CFA Secretary for a “correction to the minutes”.  The individual with the responsibility and control of the minutes is the CFA Secretary (currently, me), although the Executive Board has power to veto/over-rule my decisions and challenge any portion of the minutes.  In this case, I am not inclined to change the breed council proposal as published well over a year ago, for the reasons that: (1) it was appropriate for the former BCS to include it and, in fact, she was required to do so; (2) the proposed ballot was sent to the then-current BC members for approval prior to submission, and no objections were raised at that time; (3) BC members had a further opportunity to object when the ballot was mailed, at the board meeting, or within a reasonable time of publishing of the minutes; and (4) in my three terms as CFA Secretary, I have never changed a breed council ballot that has been voted on by the BC members and reviewed by the CFA Board of Directors.

 

It is my hope that the concerns have been addressed and that everyone has my best answers to their questions.


Rachel Anger, Secretary

The Cat Fanciers' Association, Inc.

 
Ms Anger is also a CFA Judge
What the reader needs to understand is what the Asian issues with CFA are.

The motion before the board was out of order because the application was withdrawn -  the application was returned to the applicant before the meeting.

CFA sets out a process for new Breed application on their page Rules Governing Acceptance and Advancement of New Breeds and Colors.
and expands that process on page  Recognition for Status as a Provisional Breed Requirements
where it says
It is highly desirable that examples of the breed or new color be presented to the CFA Executive Board at one of the regular meetings. It is essential that a breeder, thoroughly knowledgeable in the history of the new breed or color and absolutely familiar with every aspect of the breed or color present the cats and information to the Board.
The process then in simple terms,  as we understand it, is that you collect your information and forward it to the Executive Board, then at the appointed time you go before that board and present your case. The Board also takes information from those opposed to the application as is outlined above and makes a (fair, just, and equitable) decision.
The fundamental point is that the board made a decision on no (withdrawn) information and no presentation.  In other words the case was tried in absentia with only one view at the table. It sets a precedent of pre judgment, and an process, if allowed to stand,  to for stall any new breed application by an opposing party.
We can not think that this would be CFA's true intention.


The motion contained serious misinformation. and inappropriate language.

"The Asian standard is basically word for word identical to the European Burmese standard. The Asian breed mimics the European Burmese breed in genotype and phenotype."
That is to say that an Asian can not be easily differentiated from a European Burmese.  This is what breed council says and this is not the case.
 . see standard proposed......and
see also 10 years of "Asian Breeding".
WIAB "term of art"  refers to  this CFA Page "Definition of Breed" wherein it says
The establishment of classes in any breed which:
(a) in the case of a hybrid or currently outcrossing breed, mimic* the parent breed(s); or,
(b) in the case of a new breed, mimic*, an existing breed, will not be permitted. AOV classes are not affected by this stipulation.

Definition of mimic:

A class of cats would be said to mimic either (a) the parent breed, or (b) an already existing breed, when such a class of cats so closely resemble (a) the parent breed, or (b) already existing breed, that the defining features of the two groups are considered to be basically the same and the differences between the two groups cannot be said to be definite.


It is absolutely clear to all cat breeders and the public that there are great differences between the Asian cats illustrated and a European Burmese.
A a European Burmese is a man made breed originating from a Burmese and a Red Siamese in order to hold the red gene. The European Burmese is differentiated by that one red gene.
An Asian is man made breed originating from a European Burmese  and  Chinchilla Persian in order to hold the Agouti, Full expression, Long hair, Silver, Spotted, Wide band and Superwide band genes. There are many genes that diferentiate the Asian from the European Burmese.
The Burmese comes from Siamese , the Chinchilla has no alliance with the Burmese.
The European Burmese shows  the colours/patterns of the Burmese.
The Asian does not show the colours/patterns of the European Burmese.
 

If CFA grants separation of the European Burmese from the Burmese  under "Definition of breed"as they did,  then that sets a standard. We believe CFA must grant separation of the Asian from the E Burmese based on the same standard. That is a logic statement.