The Burmillas
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For those of you who are interested a 'Self' cat  colour is a solid colour with no Agouti (colour banding on the hair shaft ). That banding can be in Silver or the recessive Golden as in the classic tabby. Sometimes a cat can have the silvering without the Agouti gene and is a smoke. Presumably this can happen with the golden as well, although we haven't identified it.
A Self cat can be "Full Expression" or "Burmese restriction". "Burmese restriction" is a "Pointing" gene that that renders the normally black hair colour manufacture, temperature sensitive, so that brown is produced and is evidenced by the darker brown colour on the ears and tail. The Siamese restriction of this pointing gene has a stronger effect so that the body colour is almost cream.
A Full Expression self cat is a Black cat (see below) or its recessive dilute (Maltesed gene) form giving a very deep Blue sometimes called Indigo. Full Expression in a self cat is identified by back stroking the fur and seeing no change or lessening in the colour along the hair shaft as it gets closer to the body of the cat.
Of course if a cat is "Full Expression", and not self, but silvered or smoked it then gets tough to correctly call the pattern as the hair is silvered near the body and the back stroking test is not valid. Smoking and Burmese restriction can be very hard to differentiate.
 
  Findus..Silver Phoenix..Bella Donna.. Ladyin Lavender.. Hector...Olympia ..Amrit..
 

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Manillas Findus of Horizons
Findus(fin- -dus)comes to us from Maiken Mortensen of Manillas in Denmark via our friend Annemette Jørgensen.
He is a Sable Shaded Silver short hair Burmilla male dob 24 Oct 2005.
His pedigree is posted.
 The reader will note there are no Burmese and no repeats in the 5 generation pedigree, we are very pleased.
Thank you all.

He is tipped
We see the basic  gene profile   as
A/. B/. cb/cb D/. I/. L/. o/x. Ta/ - Wb/- and swb/swb.
We see this as our opportunity to prove the swb gene conjecture.
Genetic resolution

A/a   has produced non agouti kittens
B/b  has produced genetic brown
D/D  no dilutes produced with lavina
I/i  golden produced
L/ ? no long hair produced does appear to have some of the 4 long hair genes
Ta/Ta nothing produced otherwise
Wb/wb has produced a self


we  make it so
A/a, B/b. cb/cb D/D. I/i. L/?. o/x. Ta/Ta - Wb/wb- and swb/swb.
top photo Mar 06 bottom two Jan 07
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with Lavina 6 kittens
1 Champagne smoke M
1 Champagne tipped silver M  - - H. Romulus of Bes
1 Sable tipped silver --Adonis
1 Champagne Golden Shaded M
1 Champagne Golden Shaded F
1 Champagne Golden Ticked F 

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with Layla  a black self 5 kittens

1 Black shaded silver   F
1 Sable tipped silver  see Godiva
1 Full expression Brown (Havanna) M
1 Black ticked golden
1 Black smoke  M

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Burmilla Kittens  Born Jan 22 '08 to
Layla  (Black  F + Burmilla female)
1 black smoke male
1 Black golden ticked male


4 Burmilla kittens born 31 May 2009 to
Conestoga  A (Champagne tortie European Burmese) X Findus  ( Sable Shaded Silver short hair Burmilla)
2 are tortie shaded females
2 are ?? shaded males one appeares to be tipped

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Horizons Silver Phoenix a RED silver tipped Burmilla male
born July 10 02 to Horizons  Medusa  (Red Tipped Silver F3 female) and Mapleleaf (Red European  F+Burmese)
This massive boy was sold and came back to us "whole" by very good luck.



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Burmilla kittens born 11 May 08 to Bes Lilac Sweetheart of Horizons "Sweety"  lilac European Burmese X Silver Phoenix (Red tipped silver) Burmilla
  2 blue  shaded tortie females 1   sable self tortie
2 sable  shaded males, 1 Blue shaded male
The keeper in the litter is Hector the "so called" sable shaded male and that would be him top left  in the first photo and bottom left in the second.

This is interesting the kittens are clearly tabbies - agouti and silver as well. Therefore Phoenix is agouti ( a tabby)
It is impossible to tell by looking at Phoenix , his mother Medusa, or both her parents Aurora or (Far) Horizon
We know Far was Agouti therefor Medusa had to be Agouti not smoke as identified.
he is genetically

A/a  due sable tortie kitten
B/- as there is a sable kitten probably BB
cbcb as no kittens are C
D/ as  at least 1 kitten is sable  therefor he is red not cream and some are blue  thus D/d
I/  as kitten is I and probably I/I
Ox as obvious
Wb /wb as one kitten is not smoke ?? at this time
swb unknown
A/a, B/B, cbcb, D/d, I/I, Ox Wb /wb,  swb?

As of jan 17'09 we have determned that as Hector (Phoenix's kitten) is a black cat based on an examination of paw pad colour. (See below)
Thus our comment  " cbcb as no kittens are C"  is incorrect.
therefore his genetic profile is
A/a, B/B, C/cb, D/d, I/I, Ox Wb /wb,  swb?
as he did produce a sable tortie we have him as C/cb this amends our Sekmet predictions
Phoenix is a full expression red and his mother Medusa had to be full expression red





litter born  dec 13 08 in Portland  with Phoenix and Sekmet


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photos dec 28
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We would have thought to see more tipping (swb/swb). As the females are tortie and red is a 'weeker colour' they really do not count in this consideration. Thus the best conclusion is that Phoenix is not tipped  and is Swb /-.
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Burmilla kittens born    Nov 11 '08  to Godiva
with Silver Phoenix (Red tipped silver) Burmilla  - Burmillas
3 tipped kittens 1 shaded -  one male is black (full expression)
2 appear to be tortie girls

photo aug 28
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Horizons  Gd Ch Bella Donna
golden platinum shaded tortie Burmilla female born June 10 /07 to
  Lavina  platinum /golden ticked Burmilla X Commander  Cream European Burmese

 very difficult to see the platinum in these photos

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Horizons Ladyin Lavender

Platinum/Lilac longhair Burmilla female born June 26 /07  from
Cloud.( sable LH ) F3 Burmilla X Findus  ( Sable Shaded Silver short hair Burmilla)


Burmilla kittens born 27 May 09 to
Ladyin Lavender(Platinum/Lilac sh Burmilla female) x Hector  Sable shaded silver sh Burmilla male 
one bluebaby
1 LH blue golden ticked male
1 champagne smoke (?) female
1 champagne shaded silver female
1 sable self male
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Horizons Hector

Black shaded silver  Burmilla male  born 11 May 08 to Bes Lilac Sweetheart. of Horizons "Sweety"  lilac European Burmese X Silver Phoenix (Red tipped silver) Burmilla
top photo Aug 08
then nov 08
we expect his face to square up when the hormones cut in-- see Adonis

A determination of colour based on paw pads - -  Jan17'09
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Above are photos of Hector and Fokker's paw pads dirty, scrubbed, back and front. The front pair showed a greater diff. in colour. Fokker is a sable Burmese. The photos are untouched and are a large file so that any reader can download and expand the file. Both boys are of similar age.
Based on these results we believe Hector to be a genetic black cat. He is therefore not Sable as  originally noted and this changes the colour genetics of his sire Silver Phoenix.

5 Burmilla kittens born 27 May 09 to
Ladyin Lavender(Platinum/Lilac sh Burmilla female) x Hector  Sable shaded silver sh Burmilla male
1 LH blue golden ticked male
1 champagne smoke (?) female
1 champagne shaded silver female
1 sable self male
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photo may 09

Horizons Olympia
Burmilla born 17 Oct '08  to
Oprah A (Black) Golden Ticked  F1 Burmilla X Paradox  Sable Smoked Male Burmilla - Burmilla
a Black shaded female


Horizons Amrit

Champagne Burmilla male born Jan 11 '09
Cloud ( sable LH ) F3 Burmilla X Ch Roy Brown   (Brown (sable) European Burmese)
a lh carrier