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The proof - -The view held in England  is that a smoke cat is a self that is silver.  aa,    I/-
We do not agree   -It is our view that silver cat is not necessarily a smoke.
See below
As golden is recessive the dame must be  i/i and as two of the kittens are silver   then that must come from the sire and therefore he must be I/i.
AND
He is clearly not a smoke.
Therefore self cats can be either golden or silver and thus these genetics would be epistatic  and unknown .
To be a smoke  a cat must also be wide band.
Dam
op4
 Horizons Oprah

A (Black) Golden Ticked female Burmilla born 3 May 2007  from Coventry  a Chocolate (Champagne) European Burmese and sire Catsland Elliot a (Black tipped) Chinchilla Persian.
Elliot is a North American bred CCA registered Chinchilla Persian.
His pedigree is posted with his picture.
Oprah is the first of a unique Burmilla line from a foundation of European Burmese and North American Chinchilla Persian cats.
Sire
midnite3



 Horizons Midnite
Black F4 Burmilla male born  April 17 06
Soliloquay (full expression LH Sable Tortie F3 X
 Constitution  (Sable European Burmese male)  LH carrier 
kit1
 the litter of heads
2 golden, 2 silver,1 self 5 days old
kit2
 and again
kit3
 2 golden 1 silver from on top
kit4 belly
 self belly
golden bellys
 golden bellys
silver belly
 silver belly